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> <channel><title>Comments on: Letting Go</title> <atom:link href="http://lifeinthefastlane.com/2009/11/letting-go/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://lifeinthefastlane.com/2009/11/letting-go/</link> <description>Emergency Medicine education blog</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 14:50:33 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: precordialthump</title><link>http://lifeinthefastlane.com/2009/11/letting-go/#comment-1737</link> <dc:creator>precordialthump</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:06:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://lifeinthefastlane.com/?p=7469#comment-1737</guid> <description>Thanks for the comment Francesca.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The issue of &#039;Letting Go&#039; is a very personal one, and different people have widely varying views (as we all know). I&#039;m all for &#039;Letting Go&#039; when the time is right. But I also not for giving up when there is a battle that can be one. I can also respect patients who, because of their &#039;warrior spirit&#039; or for whatever reason, want to go &#039;down fighting&#039;, although from my standpoint this isn&#039;t usually a good idea.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also take your point, that while we in hospitals endeavo(u)r to be patient-centered, the bottom line is that if you come to hospital, you will get hospital care. The onus is on us, however, to help decide when the hospital is no longer the place to be. Hospices and the hospice movement are light years ahead of us in terms of helping the dying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is hard to achieve dignity in the act of dying - perhaps Sherwin Nuland is right: &quot;The dignity we seek in dying must be found in the dignity with which we have lived our lives. Ars moriendi is ars vivendi: the art of dying is the art of living.&quot; (from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/00_10/nuland.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/00_10/...&lt;/a&gt;). Knowing more about our patients lives before they became gravely ill may help us help them have a dignified end, but is much harder on us emotionally.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like you I think advanced directives are important. Perhaps more important is discussing with your loved ones what you, and they, want when the time comes, because it will come...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Francesca.</p><p>The issue of &#39;Letting Go&#39; is a very personal one, and different people have widely varying views (as we all know). I&#39;m all for &#39;Letting Go&#39; when the time is right. But I also not for giving up when there is a battle that can be one. I can also respect patients who, because of their &#39;warrior spirit&#39; or for whatever reason, want to go &#39;down fighting&#39;, although from my standpoint this isn&#39;t usually a good idea.</p><p>I also take your point, that while we in hospitals endeavo(u)r to be patient-centered, the bottom line is that if you come to hospital, you will get hospital care. The onus is on us, however, to help decide when the hospital is no longer the place to be. Hospices and the hospice movement are light years ahead of us in terms of helping the dying.</p><p>It is hard to achieve dignity in the act of dying -- perhaps Sherwin Nuland is right: &#8220;The dignity we seek in dying must be found in the dignity with which we have lived our lives. Ars moriendi is ars vivendi: the art of dying is the art of living.&#8221; (from <a
href="http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/00_10/nuland.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a
href="http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/00_10/" rel="nofollow">http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/00_10/</a>&#8230;). Knowing more about our patients lives before they became gravely ill may help us help them have a dignified end, but is much harder on us emotionally.</p><p>Like you I think advanced directives are important. Perhaps more important is discussing with your loved ones what you, and they, want when the time comes, because it will come&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Francesca</title><link>http://lifeinthefastlane.com/2009/11/letting-go/#comment-12495</link> <dc:creator>Francesca</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://lifeinthefastlane.com/?p=7469#comment-12495</guid> <description>After so many years as designated death bed vigil “personnel”, this post hit me like a ton of bricks. Even with a jovial twist it&#039;s a great post meriting serious reply. I have much to say on topic but sort of brain dead during the holidaze to answer in philosophical detail. Needless to say I&#039;m all for letting go. Nothing more horrific then seeing a shell of nothing withering away whilst family holds on to non-existent hope. Life...no one makes it out alive. No escape so buckle up  and enjoy the ride while it lasts. Advance life directives are imperative as Doctor&#039;s hands tied helping with termination of medical care when others sit around fiddling their thumbs. I also have a big problem with people having all these  prerequisites on receiving or not receiving  care. WTF are they in the hospital for? Their health? ;) You get the ones with &quot;no blood&quot; tattoos, some don&#039;t want hair cut off,  some want a Bible toter on speed dial, etc, etc...as if this should be the Doctors primary concern?! I say if you want a particular Doctor to baby-sit all your quirks don&#039;t go into a public Emergency Room. Hire your own Physician like Michael Jackson did--oops probably not best example or like the Pope does.  If you don&#039;t,  chances are you may get Dr. Kevorkian who&#039;s doing time for assisted &quot;suicide&quot;.  If Dr. Kevorkian had gone around as an &quot;death angel of mercy&quot; then he would be a psycho but if he was called upon for end of life assistance, he was doing what patient asked for.  WTF  do they think morphine drip for pain management is? Same sh*t as if you would call Kevorkian.  It&#039;s all silly if you ask me.  I&#039;m all for bringing the half-dead home to have their final days with dignity if that&#039;s what they want . I&#039;m also or for helping speed creeping death in a hospital bed or home if that&#039;s what they want.  Crap let them smoke, drink and party...not like they are going to make it out alive.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After so many years as designated death bed vigil “personnel”, this post hit me like a ton of bricks. Even with a jovial twist it&#8217;s a great post meriting serious reply. I have much to say on topic but sort of brain dead during the holidaze to answer in philosophical detail. Needless to say I&#8217;m all for letting go. Nothing more horrific then seeing a shell of nothing withering away whilst family holds on to non-existent hope. Life&#8230;no one makes it out alive. No escape so buckle up  and enjoy the ride while it lasts. Advance life directives are imperative as Doctor&#8217;s hands tied helping with termination of medical care when others sit around fiddling their thumbs. I also have a big problem with people having all these  prerequisites on receiving or not receiving  care. WTF are they in the hospital for? Their health? <img
src='http://lifeinthefastlane.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> You get the ones with &#8220;no blood&#8221; tattoos, some don&#8217;t want hair cut off,  some want a Bible toter on speed dial, etc, etc&#8230;as if this should be the Doctors primary concern?! I say if you want a particular Doctor to baby-sit all your quirks don&#8217;t go into a public Emergency Room. Hire your own Physician like Michael Jackson did--oops probably not best example or like the Pope does.  If you don&#8217;t,  chances are you may get Dr. Kevorkian who&#8217;s doing time for assisted &#8220;suicide&#8221;.  If Dr. Kevorkian had gone around as an &#8220;death angel of mercy&#8221; then he would be a psycho but if he was called upon for end of life assistance, he was doing what patient asked for.  WTF  do they think morphine drip for pain management is? Same sh*t as if you would call Kevorkian.  It&#8217;s all silly if you ask me.  I&#8217;m all for bringing the half-dead home to have their final days with dignity if that&#8217;s what they want . I&#8217;m also or for helping speed creeping death in a hospital bed or home if that&#8217;s what they want.  Crap let them smoke, drink and party&#8230;not like they are going to make it out alive.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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